Getting and Giving

Jeff Woods  0:00  
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Ingrid Bromse  0:08  
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Jeff Woods  0:21  
that's better. Yeah, they're good, pretty great. I think it's good, for sure, that looks good. Here we go. Love Unbound, the podcast, sex and intimacy with Jeff woods and Ingrid Brahms. The first episode did really well. Best performing podcast episode I've ever done kind of out of the gate, because it's new, yeah? Or it's rebranded. It was the blue hotel, and now, you know, it's love Unbound, because I found you, right? And I wanted to do a podcast that was really about relationships and communication, inclusive still, because your head are up, and that includes most of the world, right? And I'm not that includes a big chunk of the world, because the B in LGBTQ is the most prevalent letter of the pride spectrum, right? B is the big bulge, as it were. But I thought it would be wonderful to have a hetero person such as yourself. I have said for many years now, since I came out, and since I sort of grasped that I was bi in my early 30s and came out much later, that everybody's got a little buy in them. Okay, do you think you have a little buy in you? Or have you figured that out and there's no buy in you?

Ingrid Bromse  1:38  
No, I would say 100% that I would have no buy in me. I mean, I think women are beautiful, doesn't mean that I want to be intimate with them. Have you experimented? No, no,

Ingrid Bromse  1:51  
there was such a definitive No, yeah, no, I have not.

Ingrid Bromse  2:00  
Gosh, the viewer. Viewers. Okay, so line, was that alive? I have not been the giver. I have been a receiver from from a

Ingrid Bromse  2:09  
woman going down on you. Yes, okay.

Jeff Woods  2:12  
And how did that go? 

Ingrid Bromse  2:13  
When I was 18, a girlfriend of mine that we hung out with all the time. We'd been drinking. We were at a party. We were at her house in Oakville, and and she had a boyfriend, but her and I just were like, besties, you know, at her cottage forever. And, yeah, certainly with people out there, not without. Did you feel it coming? No, no, not really. But then that evening, after coming back from the party, and we were tipsy and whatever, and, and I was sleeping over at her house, and she said, Oh, I've just always been attracted to you. And, and she tried kissing me, and I was like, No, drowned, yeah. She was leaning into me. And I was like, No, thank you, yeah, no, thank you, and whatever. And, and then, but then she said, you know, you know, and well, from kissing, no kissing, to knew, she said, you know, could I, you know, she asked if she could go down on me. And, and she Yeah, and, and, and she did. And so

Jeff Woods  3:19  
taking me back, you said, reluctantly, yes, or how did that go?

Ingrid Bromse  3:25  
I guess, yeah. I mean, I may have just been, yeah, I don't. I'm clearly not reluctantly, like, I don't do I regret it. No, you know I can't really, really remember. I just know that it happened. I can't remember the nuances of it, because maybe I didn't like it, but I would just was like, allowing her to experience that, or experiment, and I was just like, meh. I mean, maybe if that happened, although I have been I have been propositioned. I have been asked by women recently, you know, knowing that I was single, or whichever or couples, you know, to to, for me to join them, or whatever, and I was just like, No. Not even interesting. Not it, not Yeah, Self knowledge is the greatest knowledge, is it? Yeah? And I have no desire or thought or anything to do that to a woman, to go down on a woman, to please a woman, to be just with a woman. Although I have great relationships with my with girlfriends, and we can talk about everything, and you know that sort of thing. But, and I do have a lot of friends that have said, Oh, you know what you're, you know you're so sexy, or you're so attractive, and, you know? And they've tried like, these are close friends of mine, and I'm just like, No, sorry.

Jeff Woods  4:53  
So this is legit. This is legit. This is my hetero co host. Enjoy gromps, and you're. Bisexual ghost, yeah,

Ingrid Bromse  5:01  
maybe I just haven't met the right person. I have no idea because, possibly because there are people that I've spoken to that were in beautiful marriages and with a man and heterosexual relationships and marriages, and then suddenly they are now in a very happy, successful relationship with a woman, and they they did preface it with, I wouldn't have ever thought in a million years that that would have been my that this would have happened, because again, through time and experience, through emotions, through evolving, through whatever. That's why I always say, you know, you know, even when you're in a relationship with somebody, you know they're like, Oh, would you ever cheat on me? Well, I mean, the answer right now would be no, however, man, there are situations out there, because we wouldn't be the first. It's not like we're just making this up, like we're not like, the trailblazers of

Jeff Woods  6:03  
my name's not a hatter and you're not a youth, yeah,

Ingrid Bromse  6:06  
that's right, an apple, yeah, get your break and have enough. You're just like, so it's I always in my head, and maybe, maybe that's giving me an out in relationships that I'm in or crying, try to be too cool or whatever. But I also am very aware that sexual attraction happens now, whether it is obviously by proof of these girlfriends that I've known that were in marriages and now that they're in beautiful relationships with women, things can happen. You know, it's not searching for it. It's not like, I'm not talking about like, you know what you're not getting at home, because I am a pleaser at home. You know, I know that a man, whoever I'm with, needs that if the guys were all out, you know, at a party somewhere, or on a trip somewhere, and there was a really, like, there was a situation that you're just like, wow, this woman's so attractive, or whoever that is, I'm not oblivious to the fact that that can happen, because who knows, you might come across somebody that just gives you the most unbelievable feeling that you've never had before. And it doesn't mean that it's you didn't get that from your partner at home. Like it, it shouldn't be a personal thing, which, unfortunately it is, because it's a connection. But I'm telling you, I mean, it's not like, as if there isn't a situation out there that people have been in where they're like, my god, I've never, I would never think I would cheat. But here we are, like, this was like, wow.

Jeff Woods  7:43  
So let me rephrase that as this is, this is in might happen. My heterosexual, I wouldn't say bi curious, because you've got by possible and by possible. Ingrid Brown, hey, there's

Ingrid Bromse  7:59  
always a possibility for anything, but yeah, to me, it would have to be, it would have to be, I don't have to be, yeah, yeah. It would have to be. I mean, there's nobody that I could think of

Jeff Woods  8:15  
just not Yeah, I'm these things arise to expect that,

Ingrid Bromse  8:18  
right? Exactly. I mean, I'm just too into man. I love what a man provides in terms of sexual will.

Jeff Woods  8:25  
What does a man provide, other than if, let's get anatolical, the part that a woman doesn't have. You say, you know a man?

Ingrid Bromse  8:36  
Yeah, and I'm saying providing like I'm done like I can provide for myself. No, no, yeah, sexually. Oh my gosh. Like,

Jeff Woods  8:43  
what does a man bring that a woman doesn't bring a cock, is

Ingrid Bromse  8:47  
what I'm like, their hands are feeling the sexual attraction. Why? I mean, you can't

Jeff Woods  8:52  
choose the woman. No, you haven't felt that way.

Ingrid Bromse  8:56  
Yeah, no. And I mean, like, I'm not trying to, like, I mean, this is not my agenda. Yeah, no, he's trying to convert you and I, that's what you why you and I work so well together, because, like, this is, you know, and these are the conversations, again, this communication piece, you know, these are the conversations that men and men should even be able to have together, even if they're homophobic or whatever they are. It's like, you should be able to say, you know, which I will say to guys. I'm like, Well, you like having sex with your a girl, and I'm gonna be really blunt here, fucking them in the ass. Who's to say, like, does it feel different? How do you know it doesn't feel different? Like, if there's glory holes along the wall. This is where my girlfriends think I'm wild and crazy. But, I mean, this is just a question, if there's glory holes along the wall, and the guys, you know, fucking each hole tell me they can tell if it's a girl or a guy's ass. Probably not. I'm sorry, you know what I mean. So it's like. It's like, it's like, so it's, it's other in your mind that it's wrong to be with another guy, or you're so pent up, like, I always think that men who are homophobic are so worried that they might be, they like it. Who cares the old?

Jeff Woods  10:18  
The old methinks, thou protest too much is a thing, the more you're against, the more you're opposed to a thing, the more digging we have to do. But why that is and

Ingrid Bromse  10:29  
I'm that person. I'm that person amongst my friends, I'm like, well, let's put it this way, you know, or put it in here, or whatever, like you just, I mean. And it does. And even just talking about it, some guys go, oh, well, you know, I don't want anybody else to hear that this conversation we're having, well, it's just a conversation. It doesn't mean you're doing the deed. We can have these super intimate, detailed conversations, and you're still going away the same person, and I'm not gonna like you any less. I'm not gonna go, Wow. I always know you know it's not to tell you has told you. So it's normal,

Jeff Woods  11:06  
the F word, four letters fear. It's just so huge with so many people, not with you, thankfully, and which is why this works for me to have these conversations. But we both know a lot of women and men who lead with fear when you start talking about intimacy and things that maybe they're a little bit curious about, but they're not ready to reveal to anyone. Maybe they're best friend, but maybe not even

Ingrid Bromse  11:36  
Yeah, and there's a lot of, I mean, seriously, I have so many different friends and people couples in my life. You know this is taboo to even speak about it, because this should only be done with your husband behind closed doors. Fine, that's fine. And I believe that's something that's been put upon. I believe that I'm definitely

Unknown Speaker  11:59  
since

Ingrid Bromse  12:00  
I like, Oh, it's a private thing, and this is only between two lovers, but come on. I mean, you know, again, we're not the first to be doing this. There's so many resources, books, platforms, everything that's out there that speaks about sex,

Jeff Woods  12:15  
including the love on bone, yeah, giving and getting, getting and giving. We prefer to give again.

Ingrid Bromse  12:24  
Oh gosh, I would say that's got to be 5050, selfish. I can be selfish. Oh my gosh, yeah, all

Jeff Woods  12:31  
getting or giving.

Ingrid Bromse  12:34  
Ah, it's very pleasurable receiving, but it also is very satisfying and sensual, and arouses me to to give and to please my man and to see them enjoy and relax. And you know that the troubles of the world go away because they're so enjoying the moment and that that their partner actually loves doing

Jeff Woods  13:08  
it. Well. We've talked before about the number one prerequisite for giving great head is liking to give. Give

Ingrid Bromse  13:18  
head. Yeah, right. Oh, no. Different than like for a man, you know, he has to, like, you know, going down on a woman, and he really

Jeff Woods  13:28  
does. Here's the thing I wanted to share with you that I don't think I've shared in this podcast ever. But have you had a lover? I can speak to it as well. Have you had a lover that everything else just clicked? But for whatever reason, them going down on you, or you going down on them, just that was one piece of the puzzle. It just never quite clicked reciprocally. No, no, that's great. Yeah, just worked. Yeah. It's like we've talked about how if the kissing isn't good, none of it'll be good, right? So if the kissing is good, it might lead to great fucking, and it might, and it would, by your account, lead to great mutual aura.

Ingrid Bromse  14:09  
Yeah, good, yeah, that's good. That's success. I mean, hey, good for me, good for you. I Yeah, I'll take that one for the win. But that's, I mean, the only way I could speak to the not enjoying it is through friends, my sisters, friends that I've spoken to that just like, No, don't like it, don't want them to go down there. Don't like it, just you know. I just want you know, you know. I just want this sexual act, like, I just want, you know, well, it's asexual. They just want, yeah, have intercourse. They just want to have, yeah,

Jeff Woods  14:46  
tell me this. What do you think those barriers include? What are some of the things that would be a barrier to enjoying a man going down on you? Probably a number of things,

Ingrid Bromse  14:57  
just not being comfortable with themselves. Not being comfortable with the the act of somebody going down. They're not comfortable receiving or very don't feel like they're prepared. Cleanliness

Jeff Woods  15:13  
wise, that might be one thing. Let me guess it a few things. Not tell me if I'm off, okay? And you can add to it anytime you think of a new one, okay, could be that they had a bad experience before. 100% that's trouble. Yes, yeah, for example, What? What? What could be a bad experience in a woman's past that now has her thinking, that's not something I want to do.

Ingrid Bromse  15:41  
Well, it just possibly wasn't good, maybe that I don't know, like, I don't want to say, force to do it legitimate.

Jeff Woods  15:48  
There's a discussion. We'll need to do it consensual, consensual. Please do but, but don't do against my will. If I don't want you to do it, I'll tell you, yeah, or my body will tell you, that's the other thing about consent, it's not always verbal. It's not always enthusiastic consent. Verbally. It could be my body's relaxed and I'm smiling and I'm and I'm touching you and I'm encouraging you. But if I'm not doing those things, and my legs are tense up and I'm signals,

Ingrid Bromse  16:16  
yeah, those, those, those should be obvious. Should signals, right? Because, unless it's just a situation where this guy's just, you know, needing to get off, and they're not caring about that person, I care, yeah, and some people, yeah, the not being able to do it might be oral is really intimate. My

Jeff Woods  16:36  
most intimate thing, I mean, intercourse is incredibly intimate. Kissing is incredibly into me, in your in your hierarchy of intimacy,

Ingrid Bromse  16:44  
yeah, I even said that, yeah, that I've said before, like to friends, that to me, kissing would be cheating, because that's a beautiful thing. Yeah, yeah.

Jeff Woods  16:54  
And so intercourse versus oral sex. What is one more intimate than the other? Oh,

Ingrid Bromse  17:00  
I would say oral sex is definitely more to me. It's more intimate. I mean, because fucking is fucking right? It's, yeah, it's, you know,

Jeff Woods  17:10  
but some people would say that's the ultimate intimacy, because not only is it inside of a body, it's it could produce a human laugh? Well, of course, yes, lots of intimacy, yeah, and all of that, however, but, but oral is also incredibly, yeah, 100% getting and giving,

Ingrid Bromse  17:30  
getting and giving, yeah, because it's all, I mean, it's not just your mouth, it's your fingers. It's you know, every you know, just you're really in each other's space with your mouth and your hands and, you know, I mean, I just think, yeah, I mean, besides the creating a life or possibly getting pregnant, I mean fucking, to me, just seems like, I mean, that's an obvious all the other intimate like receiving oral is I find is super intimate and satisfying and good.

Jeff Woods  18:14  
Where else can we go with a discussion of getting and giving so showing up at his house just for that, is that a thing? I just want to

Ingrid Bromse  18:27  
come over and, yeah, I mean, they're little gifts in the day, right? It is

Jeff Woods  18:33  
lunch, yeah? Oh, look at the time. We've still got 20 minutes,

Ingrid Bromse  18:37  
yeah, you know, gosh. I mean, what guy? I mean? Okay, well, I'm gonna put it back on you. Do you prefer intercourse to come over, coming through, getting head?

Jeff Woods  18:51  
I have evolved to a degree that I take more stimulation orally. Someone giving me head, it would be a really skilled person giving that could make me come. I could come through intercourse much more readily than through oral, right? You got to be really, really, really good. My good. It's not just gonna happen, right?

Ingrid Bromse  19:19  
But the thing is, but the thing is, though, too, it's like those just happening moments, like, if you know not, the I hear I'm coming, yeah, for sure, for sure. Okay, because, I mean, I go all over the board with this. Obviously, it's, it's, you know, you're at home and your girlfriend quickly, or whoever quickly runs through the door. I'm thinking about you, hon, and you know you were maybe sexting each other, and you're like, Oh, I can't wait until I see you later on in the day. But then she comes home quickly, you know, takes a 15 minute break, gets on her knees, and you'll just say, Oh my gosh. Like. In that moment, you might come faster too. I wouldn't know, you wouldn't. So okay,

Jeff Woods  20:04  
you know, I've changed over the Okay, okay, if it's super skilled and super fun and super great, I still really long to a pull her off and kiss her, rather than fuck her while kissing her, rather than her going down to me, that was, like a nice menu item. That was really good. That got me so Okay, now I want to do is kiss you and fuck you.

Ingrid Bromse  20:24  
So different than back in the day, when you're a teenager or in your 20s, that like, you know, yeah, somebody again. So we're talking about that. We've evolved. And you are you want more, right? You want more. You want it all. Because

Jeff Woods  20:39  
I don't want a 15 minute session. I want an hour, yeah? Yeah. For sure, for

Ingrid Bromse  20:43  
sure. But so, but so then, let's say, when you were 20, yeah, would it have been different?

Jeff Woods  20:48  
Yeah, if a girl's just, oh my gosh, yeah, yeah. So

Ingrid Bromse  20:51  
that's what I'm saying. So there's all these different phases that we

Jeff Woods  20:53  
go through right at different ages, in different stages,

Ingrid Bromse  20:57  
yeah, because we're evolving, or our body's different the way we look at the intercourse and sexual act and intimacy is completely different, because when you want a relationship with somebody, and me always looking hopefully for a longer term, because it can be shallow, just doing the sexual act. So now you do want to pull the woman up to kiss you. I don't want to just for it to be 15 minutes. I want it to be longer. And why do you want it to be longer? Because the connection is so erotic. Sorry again for being so blunt, but dick's a dime a dozen, or same with I pussy. Whatever you want to say, you know, you been there, done that. You can do that, but to what point you're just like, oof, you know, I want more. You want you want more. Is it where, if we're talking about our age, you know, think you're right, so, yeah, so that's where the whole, you know, like this podcast would be completely different if it was 220 year olds sitting here talking about it real, right? Even the BI, lesbian, LGBT, it's all different, because it's beginning stages. You're you don't know your body as well. You don't know what you want from the whole experience. Is it just to go out and get laid? Fine? That's fine. If that's what you want to do, that's great. But I think ultimately, at our age, you want more substance.

Jeff Woods  22:25  
Yes, when it's over, then one would you like to make dinner? Oh, that'll be fun. We'll want to go for a walk with the dogs. You want to come back and fuck again? And you just going deeper and deeper and deeper, especially in the weekend, you get a whole night and overnight in the morning, and we're making

Ingrid Bromse  22:43  
breakfast and because it becomes also, I mean, not what we thought when we were younger, disrespectful, you know, just to go, ah, ma'am, bam, wham bam. Thank you, ma'am. That's why all those little phrases have been made, right? You know, and you're kind of like, left to go, huh? Was that all you wanted me as but then there's women do or also, I mean, you know, some people would say it's more men, but there was just, I know a lot of women that might just want the yacht, because whatever they need that for.

Jeff Woods  23:13  
I don't need you for finances. I'm independent. I don't need to live with you because I have my own place. I mean, there's a lot of that now in the modern world, where, where we're not cohabitating as often, and kids have grown and gone and are there may not be kids and and this is very specifically a time to let my hair down and make love to somebody that I care about. How much deeper we're going to go, is anyone's guess, right? And

Ingrid Bromse  23:40  
then that's why there's a lot of people who would say, No, well, we're not going to move in together. And this is what it is. You can never again. You don't know. Well, there's no you know,

Jeff Woods  23:51  
I want to live alone, yeah, because I want time to miss you, and you have time to miss me as you live down across town, and

Ingrid Bromse  23:59  
will you see each other. And what if you found somebody that was just like, Oh, I

Jeff Woods  24:04  
think for me, it ruins it when you live together. I don't want to see you cleaning the toilet any more than you want to see me clipping my toenails or whatever, just the mundane bits of life. You don't know what to share, but I want to clip your toilet. That's a fetish for another day.

Ingrid Bromse  24:22  
Imagine there's so much receiving and giving. Like, I mean, you take care of each other, you pretty much from each other, just like that orangutans or whatever. Yeah, exactly. I mean, you know, you either like it or you don't. And that's, that's what makes up this whole world, right? Speaking, we're all so different. The two kids that came out of my body are completely different. So

Jeff Woods  24:43  
this is part of the reason that some of us really enjoyed being polyamorous, consensually, non monogamous, if you like, is variety. So

Ingrid Bromse  24:54  
essentially, what you were when you were a kid, when you were in your teenage I mean, there's not too many people in. In high school that, literally, you're like, Oh, well, I'm, you know, I'm getting together with it. I mean, we all thought, you know, and cried over, you know, you know, whatever music came on, and you're like, Oh, I thought we were gonna be together forever. No, you didn't. I mean, I mean, like, Well, I mean, you did, you did. You really did. But, I mean, are there a lot of high school sweethearts out there? I'm sure there are, I know, actually a couple of them that you know that have stayed together forever. Amazing bonus for you. If that works for you, fantastic. But you basically come around full circle, polyamorous. Then you try your dating. How many people have you married? Four? You've been in four marriages, right? So clearly, did you, and you lived with them. I lived with seven women married four, and so you lived with him. So you can't say, you know, I never want to live with him. You now just don't want to see yard. Now you don't want to. So now you've come I'm more pain now. Yeah, exactly. Well, either sane or not,

Jeff Woods  25:58  
fine, because the definition of insanity is doing things the same way, expecting different results, right? Sure. Okay, so I'm more sane

Ingrid Bromse  26:05  
now, right? And you know, you and what works best for you,

Jeff Woods  26:10  
there it is, right? We all need to know that. Yeah,

Ingrid Bromse  26:13  
and so, and it's not what works best for society or because if we don't have two cars and the white picket fence and Mary and children end of the day. It's like, you're not happy anyway. It's you,

Jeff Woods  26:24  
right? It's you. We come into the world alone. We leave the world alone, right? What we do in the middle is informed by our mistakes and our

Ingrid Bromse  26:31  
experiences, and they're not even like, it's and I don't believe in mistakes or failures. It's all trial. It's all trial.

Jeff Woods  26:38  
I wouldn't say failures, mistakes being Yeah, trying something that you know is probably

Ingrid Bromse  26:44  
futile, and some people might try and try again, you know, but they'll eventually figure it out. And we all figure out what we need that makes us happy in ourselves,

Jeff Woods  26:56  
spitting or swallowing.

Ingrid Bromse  26:59  
Oh, swallowing my girlfriends, yeah, false. But even if they wanted to be Susan,

Jeff Woods  27:07  
I didn't know you want it on you or do you

Ingrid Bromse  27:11  
want it in you? Oh, it's depends. Yeah, depends on it all depends on the moment. I mean, you know what I mean, like you're not. I think you just know. I think you just know what's gonna happen, right? Ish, yeah, it's like, you're not like, you don't know, right? Oh no, yeah. If they say, tell me what to do. Where do you want? You know? Where do you order that? It's all part of the sexual act, right? You know, it's all part of the comfortableness that you have with that person. And some people like the dirty or the better, or some people want to be angelic and puffy, you know, whichever or they play those roles, right? You know? So, yeah, I know. I've done it all, and would do it all

Jeff Woods  27:55  
when he's inside you Okay? And you, and he indicates to you that he's ready, right? And then hopefully he has the kind of control that can be whenever he

Ingrid Bromse  28:07  
wants. Okay, yeah. And then get to that, hopefully pleasing the woman first. Oh,

Jeff Woods  28:11  
gosh, that's a given. Ladies First, you've already come full time, five times, seven times, 10 times, once, depending on how, yeah, the relationship, yeah, going. What time of the day, whatever. What your dynamic? Yes, is two lovers, but he's ready to come. Oh, boy. First thing that comes to mind, where do you? Where do you want? It your your choice in me, yeah, it's not uncommon. I'm not saying yeah, because, of course, yeah, that's what I say, yeah. But that is, that is when I say common, that's just,

Ingrid Bromse  28:48  
again, it's all, it all depends on the person. It all depends on the person that you're with. Because sometimes it's like, you know what would turn on that person? You're like, oh, you know, pull it out, like, and then you tell them what to do and direct, because you know, you know, that just

Jeff Woods  29:04  
makes them crazy. Crazy. Yeah, so, if not inside you, what's what's number two? What's the next best thing? Where's it going?

Ingrid Bromse  29:14  
In my mouth, in your mouth, or on my body,

Jeff Woods  29:18  
inner Okay, so inside my vagina, then in my mind, and then somewhere on my body,

Ingrid Bromse  29:26  
yeah, yeah, usually on my chest, all right, very upset, whatever the language again, that that person likes,

Jeff Woods  29:34  
you know, yeah, whatever, whatever is common between you, yeah, that it would read upon When it is natural, whatever fits best. I absolutely was pleasantly surprised, shocked at a couple of different partners over the years that you are fucking and you do ask where you want it, and they want it in the mouth. Wow. I never expected that from you. Fuck, that's hot. Yeah and Yes, right? Yeah, no, that time between here and there is a split second and and the most exciting part of a man today depending on the man. Yeah, I'm just speaking for a good friend. Yeah, me too, right? We're

Ingrid Bromse  30:20  
just speaking. And I'm always, I'm asking for a friend, yeah, yeah, yeah. 100% I don't know everybody's everybody's different, right? That's why I'm laughing, because whoever's gonna be watching this, like, oh my gosh, you nerd. I can't believe you're like, getting right to this point. Oh, just speaking, whatever. Yeah, you know who I'm talking about.

Jeff Woods  30:42  
69 69 pros and cons. Of the pros of 69 according to Ingrid, oh

Ingrid Bromse  30:49  
gosh. Well, I would say everybody wants to try 69 it's like, oh, 69 you see the number out there? Ooh, 69 you know, like, whatever is. Anybody who has a 69 under jersey, you know, it's funny or whatever. I mean, everybody giggles. It's awful. It's awful for you. I just, I'm like, how do you concentrate when somebody's pleasing you? And you're just like, okay, so somebody's not getting fully pleased in that position, is what I think. Because if that person's really good orally, to me, I might not be pulling up like I might be slacking on my end just because it's too much in the body. Oh yeah, because I want to enjoy that now I have to make sure that I'm pleasing them, like teeth might come in the way. Or, who know, I don't know some men like, Well, yeah, again, again, there's everybody's different someone, but for you, yeah, just too much in the and I would say there's a lot of guys that have said to me, like, not who I've been with, but in these conversations, funny around the bonfire, whatever had said, Nope, can't do that either. Like, if I'm getting really good head, I cannot concentrate on what I be should be doing to my woman, right? And then there's the fact that height, well, you're very tall, I'm very tall. But then I see like, I mean, there's not usually a tall woman with a tall man, not very often. You usually see a tall man with a very tiny woman. How are they doing the 69

Jeff Woods  32:18  
flexibility, flexibility. He's got to be flexible, yeah, because she can't stretch.

Jeff Woods  32:24  
Wow. You get a yoga master female with a flexible man, we're good,

Ingrid Bromse  32:31  
yeah, sure. But I mean, if they're torsion, they're anyway,

Jeff Woods  32:34  
or if he's seven and a half feet tall and she's four foot nine, I have been met, then that's difficult. Then there might be

Ingrid Bromse  32:40  
difficult. They're not doing the 69 anyway.

Jeff Woods  32:45  
It can be great, though, because if you're if you're both vibrating and higher and higher and higher and and you can come at the same time, you know what? Whether it's orally saying, completely awful, it's a manual. Jeff, another menu.

Ingrid Bromse  32:58  
I've definitely had great experiences doing that. Yeah, it's not my number one. That's my number 69/69

Jeff Woods  33:07  
on the list. What's the position? As you've come to understand it from your friends who like people to go down on them, what's the position they like to be in? What are the positions they could be in? What do you imagine is a receiving an oral Yeah, as a woman, are you on your back with your legs spread? What are the other

Ingrid Bromse  33:25  
things? Definitely, definitely on your back. Legs up, spread on your back legs up, legs, legs up. Yep, absolutely. Where are they? Up? Up in the air. Up in the air. Or the man usually pushes against the back of your thighs, holding your knees right, holding you in that position, wanting you to be, you know, open for them. Then he doesn't have his fingers, but he has his tongue, yeah, within. Then he has his tongue. And then drops one hand and joins in with the fingers. The other thing would be sitting on their face, either facing forward, like holding the headboard or turning around, okay, yeah, yeah. Would you say the same? I mean, for the woman, wasn't menu items while you're pleasing the

Jeff Woods  34:19  
woman, there could be you, the woman against the kitchen counter or the bathroom vanity. Legs spread, right, yeah. Man on his knees, yes.

Ingrid Bromse  34:30  
Of course, of course, in the kitchen, on the kitchen counter, dining room table, lying, lying on your back, on the tie, while they're sitting at like actually talking about the meal in the menu. Anyway. I mean, this is Andre and again. That is not what we have made up. I saw those pictures in the better or the joy of sex, right, of course. So those were

Jeff Woods  34:54  
as a child. That's your edger. Yeah, right. So. Show positions. So you're giving head. It's a man. What position would you prefer him to be in versus you?

Ingrid Bromse  35:08  
I would definitely, you know, I'd like him to be sitting very comfortably in front of me, whether it's on the couch, favorite chair, and slowly take their pants off. I take them off and be on my knees in front of between their legs, in front of them. Yeah. Okay, yeah. What about lying down in bed? Sure. Lying down in bed, I would say more on my side. I would be on my line, on my side, say the TV's on. We're watching a good movie. Why not in a great moment? There you There you go. And we're relaxing. And then suddenly I'm lying on my side, and then his hand comes in behind me, you know, and starts playing with me from behind while we're watching movie. Who doesn't like that? And it doesn't have to be porn we're watching. It can be trains body,

Jeff Woods  36:02  
what about, what about, I don't know, what about the classic car? Head, Oh, I almost fell off my chair. He's driving, yeah, yeah. Does he have to pull over because he's just, like, out of his mind? Or can he, can he carry on? Then you're a country road bill? Well, 401, is kind of

Ingrid Bromse  36:20  
funny, because then you always wonder, like, if somebody can somebody can see you or

Jeff Woods  36:23  
whatever, driving by in a truck. Yeah, tell me more.

Ingrid Bromse  36:28  
Yeah, sounds like roadkill. We you're not careful. Yeah. True. True, true. Keep her on the wheel. Keep your eye. No, no, your hands on the wheel. No. Keep something on the wheel. I with the same person he has had to pull over to the side to finish because he's just too excited or have while still driving. And that was, yeah, that was good, too. It's fine. I mean, if you're on a road trip and you're, you know, you're wanting to make time, and nobody wants, you know, nobody wants to lose time, pulling over, very proud. I don't know. It's all about efficiency, getting there and getting there, yeah, getting and giving. What position

Jeff Woods  37:17  
do you like? I do like standing. I mean, you I do like standing my partner on her knees

Ingrid Bromse  37:23  
or their knee? Yes, yeah, okay, sure enough. That works. Yeah, that works. And grab my ass and in the shower. That works.

Jeff Woods  37:32  
Shower, great, because, yeah, you can leave all the mess in the tub, right? Shower, or whatever. Again, proficiency, yeah, practical, yeah. Oh my gosh, there's a good name for a bad practical head. I wonder why they call it the shower head. Shower does is got many uses, if it's detachable, yes, but that's for another episode, and that that'll be masturbation. Yeah, masturbation station. Let's do masturbation next episode, in fact, oh my God,

Ingrid Bromse  38:04  
because we're not giving anybody a little bit of leeway or break the one, I

Jeff Woods  38:08  
think it's, I think it's an important one, because I know of women that haven't seen their partners, their male partners, masturbate, and that always shocks me. For example, that's your homework. Think about these things. Or I know the women that don't masturbate in front of their man, mutual masturbation. You side by side. You can side by side it, watching porn or not, because

Ingrid Bromse  38:30  
it's a turn on, precursor to more, yeah for different. Sit across from each other, masturbation, talking to each other, telling each other what you do, dirty to each other, yeah. Or I want you to do this to yourself while I'm watching right? Masturbation, the episode three. Okay, so lucky number three is masturbation,

Jeff Woods  38:47  
masturbation and dirty talk. So we started out with the game, then we went to giving and getting these are subjects. Obviously they will revisit again and again and again. But as

Ingrid Bromse  38:58  
one does, this was fun. Our experiences, what we've heard from friends, you know? Yeah,

Jeff Woods  39:03  
mostly in your case, what you've heard from

Ingrid Bromse  39:05  
friends. Oh, yeah, clearly. I mean, 54 I'm you've done some stuff. Yeah, you know what? I've tried on the shoes.

Jeff Woods  39:12  
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